How old is celebrian

Raised among the Galadhrim ; later removed to dwell among the Elves of Rivendell. Related to Thingol of Doriath through her father, and descended from the House of Finarfin through her mother. Associated in later life with Rivendell. See also Little help plz! Originally Posted by scottandjodie. Need info on this.. Originally Posted by Fionnuala. This thing is, Tolkien says what happens to her. She is tormented and poisoned.

Why exactly do people feel the need to speculate about further details? Why do they insist on reading more into the word "torment" than Tolkien almost certainly intended? You can't make the text answer a question the author never intended to answer. So any "answer" that you might come up with is pure fiction. Why bother? Why not just take Tolkien's words at face value? Originally Posted by Reddhawk. Ever heard of Reader-response Theory? It might be worth looking into, since I know you're interested in writing.

The basic idea is that the reader's response to and interpretation of a text is just as, if not more, important than the text itself. Well, I guess that's something I just don't subscribe to. I rather think it's a bit presumptuous on the part of the reader.

Aug 07 , PM Well, there's some merit to it since no two people are going to interpret everything exactly the same.

Our beliefs, culture, and life experiences all colour the way we interpret things. In that same vein, one could say that it's a bit presumptuous on the part of the writer to assume that everyone will interpret and understand their words in the manner they intended. That being said, I tend to agree more with you and err on the side of the writer. Still, as a hopeful writer, it's nice to be aware of these things and to realize that not everyone is going to take your word for it.

Join Date Apr Posts 12, Originally Posted by Thane9. Some language is in fact objective. I'm not saying this specific passage is an example of that IMHO, text represents the intent of the author, just as the spoken word represents the intent of the speaker.

It's like Plato's allegory of the cave. We can choose to be bound and blinded never seeing the real 'light' of the truth of the text, but we should strive to break those bounds and apply our knowledge and reasonable background of the author to determine his intent.

HIS intent is the key phrase there. Everything else is just figments of our imagination. This is based on other more clear statements he makes elsewhere, and based on his overall approach to the topic as it applies to elves. Aug 08 , AM I find a view like that difficult to understand.

I mean, if you can accept that authors intend all kinds of things and fail more often than not, is it so difficult to see that they can also succeed at revealing things they never intended in the first place? AFAIC authorial intent is just one important part of literary analysis, along with reader response, biography, psychology, history, and the textual structure itself. We look forward to meeting you. Wiki The Tolkien Wiki. JavaScript is disabled.

For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly. You should upgrade or use an alternative browser. She was known as Lady of Rivendell as she was the wife of Elrond.

She was also the mother of Arwen , Elrohir, and Elladan. Celebrian Sketch Art. The Lord of the Rings has multiple mentions of Celebrian like the one of being the daughter of Galadriel and that of her torment. Tolkien states that when the Ruling Ring was destroyed, the Three Rings lost their power.

Elrond, at last, got ready to depart from Middle Earth and followed Celebrian. Elrond was, however, departed forever from his daughter.